tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post7552012366109966152..comments2023-10-25T05:38:29.800-04:00Comments on Deanna Doss Shrodes: Glass ceiling not fully shattering anytime soonDr. Deanna DossShrodeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06651422170585497480noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-63777986071251078742008-09-01T13:01:00.000-04:002008-09-01T13:01:00.000-04:00PD - I agree with both of you and Tara on all of t...PD - I agree with both of you and Tara on all of this. I am not sure what or where most of our people stand on women being in leadership. I do believe they are changing on it because of what I do along side my DH. Not like they have much of a choice right now..lol! I gave you and Tara a shout out on my blog!<BR/> See you soon!Melissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17200671287941609083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-8948618876692540952008-08-31T23:44:00.000-04:002008-08-31T23:44:00.000-04:00Anonymous - ahhh yes, the jezebel spirit...I'm...Anonymous - ahhh yes, the jezebel spirit...I'm familiar with that one too. Amazing how people many people are really clueless as to what that truly is. One time I had a lady in the church who got flustered and she was talking about that and she said to me, "Pastor Deanna, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, there's an Isabelle spirit in our church!!!" (It was all I could do not to fall over laughing.) <BR/><BR/>Anyhoo, Michele who comments on my blog frequently (and has her own blog (An Adoptive Family's Life) is one of our board members. Many of our departmental leaders are women and of course Larry and I are full partners in leading the church. I have learned, as you have, anonymous, that usually when people believe as that couple believed, they will move on when they see the pastor is not changing their direction on the "no ceiling" principle in the church. Sometimes you have a few diehards that stick it out though, and those can be what sends you to the Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey or Fudge Brownie waaaayyyyy too much. (lol)Dr. Deanna DossShrodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06651422170585497480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-13528920183883465232008-08-31T23:37:00.000-04:002008-08-31T23:37:00.000-04:00Yesterday my husband said, "why aren't those women...Yesterday my husband said, "why aren't those women taking their OWN advice? They need to stop spending their time creating and writing these blog posts and get back to their kids. After all, isn't that all they believe we are allowed to do in life? If they believe that's the only place they should spend their time then why the heck are they on their computers? Double mindedness. (oh that's right, the Bible says a double minded MAN is unstable in all his ways...maybe that's the way they get around that...they must not believe women can be doubleminded. Ha ha!) Ahhhhhh........I need to stop. I could go on...(sometimes I do - lol) Nutshell: you're right T, it's amazing there's anybody left on the planet that believes that way. But they do exist, alien-like as they are.)Dr. Deanna DossShrodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06651422170585497480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-5412977105531930222008-08-31T23:36:00.000-04:002008-08-31T23:36:00.000-04:00We had a couple in our church that were convinced ...We had a couple in our church that were convinced there was a "Jezebel" spirit at work in our church because of women in leadership positions in our church. My husband wants women on the church board. We have women on our board and he encourages women to take leadership roles.<BR/><BR/>This couple is no longer part of our church....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-92110037838613997602008-08-31T23:20:00.000-04:002008-08-31T23:20:00.000-04:00I just visited the Ladies Against Feminism site to...I just visited the Ladies Against Feminism site too and I had to leave before I wrote another blog post... ugh... I don't know what to say... some women are truly clueless!Tara Sloanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12415100749129119037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-64924982112376860422008-08-31T19:07:00.000-04:002008-08-31T19:07:00.000-04:00Angie - yes, that's cool, huh? I thought to myself...Angie - yes, that's cool, huh? I thought to myself though, that although it is an honor for us to have a VP nominee among our ranks in the AG, hopefully it will not prove to be a difficulty for her to be associated with the AG. Not that I don't love the AG - it's just that some reporters are going to have a field day with some of our past weaknesses. (For example: they will point out, I'm sure that Palin is from the same denomination as certain fallen televangelists, yada yada yada...never mnid that there are over 10,000 of us credential holders that aren't doing that kind of behavior...) but you know how the media is. <BR/><BR/>Tara - can't wait to read it - going there in a sec...<BR/><BR/>Leanne - I have often thought the same thing in time past when pastoring another church and came to similar conclusions. One thing I would say for you to be aware of is that it's not only the type of people who are at your church (extremist/militant type homeschoolers, etc.) who can believe that way. Those who gave me some of the worst problems in the past were not those types. (Although I've definitely dealt with some of your type.) They come in all shapes, sizes, backgrounds. lol It's not just your "prairie dress" (I laughed so hard on that one!) churches who believe that junk. <BR/><BR/>When I faced it in a previous church I wondered the same thing you did but then realized that among other reasons they stay also because...they have family in the church, they were there first (and think they will outlast you), the church is close to their home in some cases and they don't want to be inconvenienced to drive further, they don't like change and it's easier to stay and put up with the fact that you're on staff than make a switch to a new church that scares them, they are in leadership and will lose their leadership positions at your church and have to start on the "low end of the totem pole" at a new church, and the ever popular reason as you mentioned that there are programs at your church they can't get elsewhere so they stay just for that. <BR/><BR/>I do have them to thank for this...my husband and I came to be rock solid as a team and in what we believe due to some rocky waters with people like that. When you are faced with dealing with those kind of monsters you quickly have to figure out, "okay, who are we, and what do we believe?" if you don't already know it. I know you and Patrick have that figured out and you are a solid team. It seems like your pastors are too. You are blessed to have a unified, strong team. It will get you through the hard times, as it has me. Only Jesus and the power of your partnership is what pulls you through in some of the dark days of dealing with prejudicial monsters. <BR/><BR/>Love you my friend...Dr. Deanna DossShrodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06651422170585497480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-48581586634978125192008-08-31T16:17:00.000-04:002008-08-31T16:17:00.000-04:00I find it kind of weird that families like that wo...I find it kind of weird that families like that would say in a church like ours, too...with a co-pastoring team, a female children's pastor, and TONS of women in leadership! Not to mention a church that has children's and youth ministry...<BR/><BR/>My husband said, "They like the perks." They have their kids compete at Fine Arts; they get to participate in some really good worship; and they get to dress how they want with no pressure to put on the prairies dresses like they would at a more conservative church.<BR/><BR/>Whatever - it's not really a HUGE group of people...just a few very vocal families, lol! It's just way more of that attitude than I'm used to - I was actually one of the more conservative people I knew; now I feel like a raving liberal.<BR/><BR/>But we all know how I feel about labels and stereotypes, so...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-35211643012333555762008-08-31T15:32:00.000-04:002008-08-31T15:32:00.000-04:00I'm with you and about to post a similar post on m...I'm with you and about to post a similar post on my blog... you know what they say about great minds.... ")Tara Sloanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12415100749129119037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-14688586560162799722008-08-31T12:37:00.000-04:002008-08-31T12:37:00.000-04:00PD,She was raised A/G....if you go to Wikepedia an...PD,<BR/>She was raised A/G....if you go to Wikepedia and to the Religion section it gives a brief description of the churches she has attended/attends.Angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330033113168391799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-42473913507569202602008-08-31T01:23:00.000-04:002008-08-31T01:23:00.000-04:00Wow. I'm sorry. Sorry that you say, "a lot." In...Wow. I'm sorry. Sorry that you say, "a lot." In the last few years of my ministry I've dealt with "a few" of those type of people in my church but not many. The "a lot" is part of my past. A painful one that I've moved beyond. Honestly, the "few" that have been here at my church were/are on the fringe, not in leadership. I don't know anybody who would stay in our leadership for very long who felt that way being that Larry and I lead everything together so strongly. It just wouldn't jive or they'd have a mental breakdown. lol (Because our style of leadership would never changed based upon their feelings. Therefore if people have issue with it, they just quit. ) <BR/><BR/>I am sorry that you have to deal with it "a lot" at your church...I know how painful that is because I did deal with it previously and it was almost the death of me. Never again. <BR/><BR/>Love you, my friend... and I'll pray that your "lot" will become little to non-existent.Dr. Deanna DossShrodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06651422170585497480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-80072355560257521222008-08-30T17:50:00.000-04:002008-08-30T17:50:00.000-04:00Honestly? If I didn't laugh at it, I'd cry - becau...Honestly? If I didn't laugh at it, I'd cry - because I go to church with a lot of people who truly believe that way. <BR/><BR/>Laughter is not so much a sign of maturity as much as it is a defense mechanism in my case :o).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-44559018326272981322008-08-30T16:11:00.000-04:002008-08-30T16:11:00.000-04:00I just went there...started reading but it doesn't...I just went there...started reading but it doesn't make me laugh...it makes me sick. <BR/><BR/>It's hard for me to laugh at things like that because I realize the damage it does. I wish I were to the point where you and many of my sisters are where I could read it and laugh and just let it roll off. I actually admire you for it. <BR/><BR/>Larry just leaned over to me and said, "stop reading that! click out of it! It just garbage and it gets you upset and you don't need it..." <BR/><BR/>I read 3/4 of the way down and couldn't take any more.<BR/><BR/>Lord, help me. I really do need to take your approach more, Leanne. I'm just not there yet.Dr. Deanna DossShrodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06651422170585497480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34244281.post-74978793624877596742008-08-30T16:04:00.000-04:002008-08-30T16:04:00.000-04:00You heard right...although I'm sitting in my offic...You heard right...although I'm sitting in my office about to get some work done, so technically you're hearing BOTH Tara and I clapping from Illinois...lol :o).<BR/><BR/>I agree 100% - although for a few laughs, go check out "Ladies Against Feminism" for their assessment of Sarah Palin's appointment. It would be funny if people didn't actually believe that way...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com